Jim Caple, the Yankees-hating douchbag who writes for ESPN, produced an excellent article today about closers and the save statistic. In light of Jerome Holtzman’s death, Caple thoroughly explores the history of the closer, concluding that because of the save statistic and the media’s infatuation with the closer, teams’ best relief pitchers today are often not used in the most important late-inning situation. Here’s how Caple ends the piece:
Teams would have to slowly wean themselves off the all-powerful closer, gradually bringing their best reliever into earlier, more important situations. And the media will have to start hounding managers with questions like, “Why did you use your closer with a three-run lead in the ninth when studies show you would have probably won anyway? Why not save him for a more important situation, such as a tie in the seventh?” But some team eventually will come to its senses and do exactly that. And as opponents see this strategy work over the course of months and years — and see that it also was a cheaper way to win games — more teams will copy until it becomes the preferred method. They will, as Beane says, “stumble back onto the old system” and realize that if it was “good enough for Whitey Herzog, it’s good enough for us.”
If so, sanity — rather than the “save situation” — will rule the day again.
Of course, there is one inherent risk to that. While teams and fans would view the save, “save situations” and closers in a more accurate light, there is also the unfortunate risk that they would eventually overvalue the “hold.”
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Tagged: closers, conventional wisdom, Jim Caple
Jerome Holtzman, a member of the International Jewish Sports Hall of Fame and a man who helped make relief pitchers more relevant, statistically speaking, died this past weekend. While this is obviously sad news here at the Loogy Lounge, I couldn’t help but be amused by a comment posted by a gentleman named Hugo on the Times’ website:
I don’t mean this in a bad way, but I wish that save stat died with him.
Harsh, Hugo, but you kinda have a point.
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Tagged: Jews and Relief Pitching, saves
Gnopple, you’ve inspired me to pick up the good fight for middle-relief recognition again. When Joey Devine went down with an injury in late May, a piece of me did die, but with his imminent return, I feel ready to blog again. For now, I provide a link that I meant to post awhile back. The Hardball Times conducted a study and produced an interesting piece on whether relief pitchers suffer from pitching on back-to-back days. A snippet:
While this study appears to generally conform to common knowledge, it still is nice to look at. While pitchers appear to lose a little on their fastball, their sinkers appear to have more bite while their sliders remain relatively unchanged.
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Tagged: blogs, Joey Devine
Well, I guess this was inevitable. But why now? Because the Yankees are 21-25 and in the A.L. East cellar? Because Darrell Rasner is the 2nd best pitcher on the Yankees? These are ostensibly justifications for starting Joba, but to me, its just Yankees’ brass succumbing to New York media pressure. To be clear, like Hank, I’m all for Joba starting. But for a guy that wasn’t allowed to pitch more than an inning at a time every other day last year, this is a HUGE move to make mid-season. Unlike the relief-pitcher role, where any live arm can come in and dominate, starting requires a period of transition and adaptation, as MJ suggested in his guest post:
Pitchers work on all of their stuff in spring training and then develop their feel as the weather improves in April and into May. Pitchers usually hit their stride six weeks into the season. This plan would ask Joba to work on all four pitches in spring training, shelve them for a long period of time, go back and work on them again (against minor league hitting), and then expect them to be sharp against big league hitters.
I guess the plan is for Joba to work 2 innings for a few games, then 3, then 4, then 5, and by July 1 (?), he’ll be ready to be an effective starter. My fear is that this transition is not as sufficient as a full spring training would have been, and in six weeks, Joba is going to be a mediocre starting pitcher. The ramifications of this?
New York Post, August 1, 2008: “Joba Should’ve Stayed in Bullpen”
Everyone who stupidly claimed that Joba, like Papelboner, is better suited for a relief role than a starter role, will be vindicated. And by Spring Training 2009, Joba is a lifetime bullpen guy because that’s where he showed he can dominate.
This might sound like a worst-case scenario, but I think throwing Joba into the starting mix like this jeopardizes his future as a starter. The risk is greater than the reward given that the Yankees are not a championship-caliber team this year, even if Joba performs well. I pray to Babe Ruth’s corpse that everything works out and that Joba excels as a starter immediately, as he did as a setup guy, but I don’t have my hopes up.
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Tagged: Joba Chamberlain, Starter vs. Reliever
The Padres claimed pitcher Sean Henn off waivers from the Yankees. Will the wisdom of Kevin Towers show itself again? Only time will tell. This is such a big deal that it was inserted as a blurb in an article about Jim Edmonds’ release and the blurb says that Sean Henn is a righty. Blasphemy — Sean Henn is a Loogy through and through!

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Tagged: Sean Henn, the wisdom of kevin towers
In his short tenure, Hank Steinbrenner has already shown himself to be a loudmouthed idiot; but, he made a good deal of sense in his most recent tirade about Joba Chamberlain:
I want him as a starter and so does everyone else, including him, and that is what we are working toward and we need him there now. There is no question about it, you don’t have a guy with a 100-mile-per-hour fastball and keep him as a setup guy. You just don’t do that. You have to be an idiot to do that.

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Tagged: Hank Steinbrenner, Joba Chamberlain, New York Yankees
Decent article about conventional wisdom versus Bill James with respect to closers. Here’s a small sample:
In other words, don’t be cowed by the conventional wisdom that stipulates a ninth-inning lead must be handed over to a ninth-inning pitcher whose confidence about retiring the last three batters in a game is hard-wired into his brain. That’s how the world works these days, but the definition of a closer is not sacrosanct. To the contrary, it’s open to some tweaking. A committee of closers? Why not?
James believes that a traditional closer (i.e. the team’s best relief pitcher) is eight times more valuable in a tie game than when his team has a three-run lead. I’m sure that’s about right, but the article doesn’t really elaborate; it just concludes: “When Bill James makes a case that a reliever such as Putz can be eight times more important in a tie game than he is with a three-run lead, trust the source.”
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Tagged: Bill James, closers
Rudy Seanez is back in the majors after signing a one-year deal with the Phillies. The lede of this story reads:
Phillies’ bullpen gets some help as Seanez signs
The first paragraph then begins: “Phillies manager Charlie Manuel can vividly recall having Rudy Seanez on his club in Triple-A almost 20 years ago in the Indians organization.” (emphasis mine)
I guess by “some help,” the author liberally means a really old player that is now inadequate at pitching baseballs.
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Tagged: Philadelphia Phillies, Rudy Seanez